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Why I Cannot Support Concealed Carry Weapons Permits (And Why You Shouldn’t Either!)

January 17, 2014

John Filippidis is a Concealed and Carry Weapons permit holder, which means he can carry his firearm on his person or in his car legally. He followed all applicable laws in the State of Florida to obtain his permit, and has been a lawful citizen since being “given the right” to retain a firearm when in public.

Recently he was driving through the State of Maryland on a family vacation when he was stopped, for no apparent reason, by a law enforcement officer who had trailed his car for at least ten minutes.

According to his family, this is how the stop went down:

The officer was from the Transportation Authority Police. He asked Filippidis for his license and registration. Around ten minutes later, he returned and asked John to exit his vehicle.

“You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”

Filippidis told the officer his gun was at home in his safe.

Apparently the officer didn’t believe Filippidis, because he began questioning his wife, Kally, next:

“Your husband owns a gun. Where is it?”

First Kally said, “I don’t know.” Retelling it later to the Tampa Tribune, she said, “And that’s all I should have said.” Instead, attempting to be helpful, she added, “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.”

That’s when things escalated. The officer confronted Filippidis:

“You’re a liar. You’re lying to me. Your family says you have it. Where is the gun? Tell me where it is and we can resolve this right now.”

Of course a gun could not be produced, since it was home in Filippidis’ safe.

Because Mrs. Filippidis told a different story than her husband, the officer said he had probable cause to search the vehicle. And he did just that. He called for backup and they literally took the vehicle apart in an effort to find the weapon the Mr. Filippidis left in his safe back at home in Florida.

The gun, of course, was never found. After 90 minutes of having their personal property violated, the Filippidis family was released without charge or citation.

Since Mr. Filippidis was driving according to all traffic laws, there was absolutely no reason to pull him over. And this is where our problem starts. Why did he get pulled over in the first place?

It turns out that when you register your weapon as a CCW holder you get flagged and tagged in the system. And, apparently this crosses over state lines, because the Transportation Authority Officer who pulled Mr. Filippidis over did so because he suspected there was a firearm in the car. That’s it – there was no probable cause of wrong doing and no other possible reason this car should have been pulled over.

Remember that whole ridiculous argument about registration of guns eventually leading to confiscation like it has in so many other countries in the past?

Turns out there may we be something to that. Mr. Filippidis and his family were, by all accounts, considered and treated criminals for legally owning a firearm, even though that firearm was not in their possession.

The chief of TAP has apologized to the Filippidis family, but no action has been taken against the officer that, in no uncertain terms, illegally detained and violated the rights of this family and did so at gunpoint.

As noted by Karl Denninger at The Market Ticker, this illegal stop highlights the key problem with CCW permits and gun registration initiatives in general, and he argues why such registration requirements need to be repealed.

Denninger: Why I Cannot Support CCW Permits

There is only one solution to this problem folks — it’s none of the government’s damned business if you’re carrying a weapon or not.  It’s none of the government’s damned business right up until you do something unlawful with it, at which point it becomes both reasonable and appropriate to search, arrest, charge, whatever — for the unlawful act.

But the bottom line here is that the fact that this individual registered his ownership and intent to carry for personal protection of himself and his family in the places where it is lawful to do so with the government meant that he was unlawfully stopped, detained and searched by a ****head who has faced no penalty for the violation of his Constitutional right to be left alone absent evidence of, or probable cause to suspect, actual unlawful activity.

The only solution to this is Constitutional Carry.  That is, you have the right under the 2nd Amendment to carry, either openly or concealed, a firearm without applying for any sort of permit or asking for permission from the government first.

It is only if and when you commit a crime with a weapon present and in some way related to the offense that the government gains the ability to intervene in yourpersonal decision to not be a victim and protect both yourself and others near you, most-particularly your family.

There is no means to solve this problem any other way, as despite whatever sanctions Florida may apply to its peace officers for abusive acts of this sort the very act of registration exposes you to abuses by other political subdivisions in the United States.

Therefore, the only means of stopping this crap is in fact to get rid of any such requirement of registration — period.

We’ll repeat that again in case you missed it: The only solution to this is Constitutional Carry. 

Can we all agree that a criminal who intends to do harm to others will never register their firearm? They will be carrying concealed regardless of the laws of the state in which they reside.

So, if the intent of these CCW laws is to prevent gun crimes instigated by gangs and others, then it is a total failure.

What these laws do in actuality is restrict the ability of law abiding citizens to own self defense weapons and, as the case in Maryland shows, to track those citizens across the country. Of course, the government would never overstep its bounds like these peace officer in Maryland did. That was just an isolated incident, right?

They’ll have us believe that officials having knowledge of every gun owner in their state, city or neighborhood poses no danger to the freedom of American citizens.

Perhaps today it doesn’t (unless of course you’re John Filippidis on a family vacation). But consider what will happen should more restrictive legislation be passed – or if the President of the United States signs an Executive Order outlawing the ownership of certain types of firearms or their accessories.

It should be crystal clear: Gun registration in any form, even CCW Concealed Carry Weapons permits, pose an immediate and distinct danger to the liberty of the American people.

CREDIT TO:  Mac Slavo / infowars.com

http://www.infowars.com/why-i-cannot-support-concealed-carry-weapons-permits-and-why-you-shouldnt-either/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

 

 

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18 Comments
  1. Jae Ashley Stewart permalink

    The logic of this article is absolute hogwash!!! When you get a Concealed Handgun License (“CHL”), you don’t register your handgun. When I got my CHL, I didn’t even own a handgun. AND just because you have a CHL doesn’t mean you have to produce a handgun. I believe this article is propaganda against our right to carry a concealed handgun. DON’T BUY INTO IT.

    • Jae, either you did not read the article properly or completely. This is in fact our reality in the United States.

  2. Ryan permalink

    To Jae: The “registration” wasn’t a firearm registration. The driver was “registered” as a permit holder. This is what prompted the officer to pull him over. It’s worse than firearm registration. Free Americans should not have to be in a searchable database that identifies them as someone who exercises a civil right.

    And speaking of civil rights, the officers should be sued civilly for civil rights violations. Most officers I know are big supporters of the constitution and freedom. The few that don’t believe in it need to be gone. If their department wont’ weed them out, the need to suffer every time they violate their oath to persuade them that it’s not worth the cost.

  3. Brandon Mclaine permalink

    I agree whole heartedly that is the only solution to the problem I live in white oak Texas not very big but not very small either and it is right next door to longview witch the violent crime rate has increased exponentially in the last few years to being in the top ten percent of violent crime rates in the United States. now I’m trying to get my chl but I still carry in my vehicle because in the state of Texas it is leagal to carry a consealed hand gun or any gun for that matter in your vehicle after you turn 21 years of age and while it is not a fix to the problem it is a way to get through it atleast for a little while

  4. Jon permalink

    Well, first, we only have the Filippidis’s account of what happened. Just because he says he didn’t violate any traffic laws, or provide any other reason for the stop, doesn’t mean that’s correct. People inadvertently violate traffic laws all the time. There could’ve been any number of reasons for the stop. I was stopped in NJ for a tint violation, because the officer didn’t realize until after he’d begun the stop that my car was registered in Florida, and the NJ tint laws didn’t apply to me.

    Second, whether or not a CWL is linked to a DL varies by state. I’ve seen someone comment that it will show up on a NCIC check, as the FBI has you flagged in the system. I’m going to have to look into that.

    That would make much more sense, because if you read the story, the officer didn’t ask about the gun until 10 minutes AFTER he got Mr. Filippidis’s driver’s license. As standard procedure, he would run his DL to make sure it’s valid, and he would run him through NCIC and what’s Maryland’s criminal database is, to determine if he had any warrants. If the FBI has us flagged, in NCIC, that’s when it would turn up.

    Besides, anyone could be driving the vehicle, so linking it to the tag would make less sense. People could be driving rental cars, in which case the info wouldn’t show up. The driver could be the wife, or a teenage child.

    Third, while I support Constitutional Carry, I do not for a second buy that having a CWL is what got this man pulled over. In some states, particularly those who have an officer notification requirement, I have heard of a CWL being linked to a DL. DL’s are often linked to tags, so that’s really not a surprise.

    I’ll see what I can find out about the NCIC thing, and if it’s going on, I’ll reach out to my Congressman. He’s pretty good about looking into and challenging things like that.

    • Jon, things are changing in America daily. These changes are not for the better nor are they Constitutional. Keep in mind this story is just one of many from all over the United States, there are many more to be told. I understand how Americans can discount the facts considering the normalcy bias that citizens are clinging to. However, facts are facts…let’s take what Jay Nixon (Governor of Missouri) has done. He ordered the state police to create a disc with all the concealed carry permit holder’s information. This disc was handed over to the Obama administration not once but twice. Now you have two occurrences that have been offered to you and they are indeed fact. Open your eyes, do the research and see for yourself how much trouble America is in.

      • Jon permalink

        I’m not saying that there are not problems. I’m simply poking holes in this story, because I do not believe the “facts” in the story. I agree that things are changing for the worse, and I know of many violations of the Constitution that no one, of those in a position to do so, is doing anything about.

        I have also noticed a strong resentment developing towards law enforcement generally, which I know for a FACT is based on the actions of a small, but well publicized, minority of officers who have gotten it wrong, or from departments in states with extremely liberal governments that have instilled an institutional dislike of guns, gun owners, and a faulty understanding of the Constitution in their officers.

        What people do not hear about are the 90% of police officers in this country who DO believe in the Constitution, in the 2nd Amendment, and who are more than happy to have legally armed citizens. Are you going to find this in big cities? Probably not, because big cities are liberal meccas, even down here in Georgia, where Atlanta is a big blue dot in our red state.

        You’ll find it most everywhere else, in most cases even in liberal states, at least among the smaller cities and more rural areas. Smart sheriff’s deputies and state troopers around the country know that they are on their own if they get into trouble, as backup could be 30 minutes, or even hours, away. They know that a legally armed citizen who happens by is their best hope.

        The only “facts” in this story are the ones provided by a reporter, via the Filippidis family. That’s second hand information, not “facts”. We have to assume that the reporter is conveying the information accurately, and completely. I stopped believing in the accuracy of reporters long ago.

        The story above is sourced from the Daily Sheeple, which sourced it from the Tampa Tribune. The facts of the story are immediately questionable, as the reporter refers to the gun as a Kel-Tec “.38” semi-automatic, not as a .380. One “fact” that’s wrong.

        Also, in the Tribune story, it mentions that the officer wrote out a warning, rather than a ticket. Since there would be no warning to write for not carrying a weapon, it’s a fair assumption that they did, indeed, violate a traffic law. It’s not uncommon (having done it) for an officer to run a tag before initiating a traffic stop. He could well have been following them while waiting for the DMV info to come back.

        I have confirmed that there is nothing in the NCIC that indicates someone has a CCW permit. I have that directly from a source that I trust. Considering that CCW permit background checks are, at least in South, run through NICS, not NCIC, just like a gun purchase, I’m not surprised.

        Yes, we have problems. However, too many people want to immediately believe the worst of every encounter with a police officer that seems poorly handled, and in the process, invent “facts” to make the story fit their beliefs.

        The “facts”, or rather lack thereof, are plainly spelled out in the story. Rather than filling the gaps with your own negative stereotypes of police officers, try waiting for the rest of the actual facts to come to light.

    • Ryan permalink

      Hi John:
      I live in NJ. If you were stopped, the officer knew your license plate was a FL plate. How did he later realize the law didn’t apply to you? Did he call the prosecutor’s office for clarification on the law? Did he break out his copy of the NJ Statutes and look it up? Of course not. He knew you were from Florida and knew that the tint law would not apply. He also knew that being from FL, (and probably from the type of car you drive) that you were statistically more likely to be transporting drugs or guns to NY then the cars with NJ plates. When he got to your window, he realized you didn’t fit the rest of the profile for a drug or gun runner and let you go. You were profiled because you were from Florida.

      NJ’s window tint laws are written to let NJ law enforcement stop cars from Florida!

      • Jon permalink

        Perhaps, but this was 20 years ago when I was stationed there. It was night time, and we weren’t anywhere near a major road, so I don’t think that was it. He didn’t really have time to assess me before he started telling me that he pulled me over without realizing I was from Florida.

        I was pulled over on base one night, too, and the DoD officer made the same mistake. I had my window down and I heard him call it in as a NJ tag. When he asked me why there was no record of my tag, I said “because it’s from Florida, and you ran it as NJ”, at which point he told me to be more careful and let me go. Those were both the same year, so apparently it wasn’t all that difficult to miss.

    • joe aguirre permalink

      No citation was issued. And the chief of police and the internal affairs inspector have apologized.pretty sure its no longer a he said/cop said scenario at this point.

      • Jon permalink

        No citation was issued, but if you click on the link in the above “According to his family, this is how the stop went down” and then on that page, the link in “I know the laws and I know the rules,” Filippidis said”, you will find the original story on TBO.com. In that story you will find:

        “Ninety minutes later, or maybe it was two hours — “It felt like forever,” Kally says — no weapon found and their possessions repacked, the episode ended … with the officer writing out a warning.”

        Since there is no written warning for not having a gun, the logical conclusion is that the written warning is for a traffic violation. That negates the assertion that he was stopped because the MTA officer somehow knew he had a gun, and that he didn’t violate any laws. Clearly, he violated some traffic law, or he wouldn’t have been stopped. It wouldn’t have taken 10 minutes for the officer to come looking for the gun, if that was the sole reason he stopped them in the first place.

        Yes, they’ve apologized, as well they should, because they handled the situation poorly.

  5. OVER YOU’RE DEAD BODY………

  6. Crrrock permalink

    In Australia, your ownership of firearms is linked to your drivers licence. Fact !

    • Jon permalink

      Thankfully, we are not nearly as oppressed as Australia.

      • Jon, your statement, “Thankfully, we are not nearly as oppressed as Australia”. What is happening in the United States is just the beginning of our sorrows. Hitler doesn’t stand a candle to what this administration is about to drop on the American people. You can choose to educate yourself, learn the truth and teach others, or you can remain an uninformed bystander and watch it all come down on America and the world. Your future is in your hands, believe what you will.

      • Jon permalink

        The statement, for the moment, is true. I am well aware of what’s going on. I refuse to accept that what comes is a foregone conclusion, and I refuse to speculate of what is to come. I speak the truth, as it exists, and as I know it.

      • Jon, we all have a specific station in life. Mine is to research the facts, convey those facts and based on what I have conveyed, predict what is coming our way. What you choose to do with the message I have conveyed is up to you. Keep in mind, you should prepare for any type of crisis. As the old saying goes, “Prepare for the worst and hope for the best”.

  7. Lenny_b permalink

    Maryland has a network of technical security databases which access the databases of all other states who comply and coordinate with them. For states who do not willfully comply, or those who are not set up to align technically, Maryland mines data from various LEO systems.

    The intelligence analysis hub has access to, and contains, Florida’s CCW list (among other identification systems) and mines the state’s database systems for vehicle plate numbers of the holders. These license plate numbers are then stored in a cross referencing database within the Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.
    Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose…

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